I’m so glad to welcome back my friend Kim O for her third appearance on the show. Kim is a relational soul coach and author who works directly with ROGD-affected teens and their parents — one of a very small handful of people doing work that closely mirrors my own. In this conversation, we dig into what it actually looks like to believe in your child’s soul when everything about their behavior is screaming at you to panic.
Kim shares how shifting from fear and worry energy to genuine belief in her own son’s potential transformed their relationship — and how she now coaches families to do the same. We explore what I call strategic and what Kim calls clever: non-threatening, indirect approaches that plant seeds of growth without triggering the ego defenses that gender ideology has shored up in these kids. We talk about the power of fun and play in rebuilding connection, the danger of suggestion-based parenting, setting real boundaries around devices, and why personality typing tools like the Enneagram can actually give girls a healthier outlet for the same identity-seeking impulse that gender ideology exploits. Kim also introduces her new parent and teen workbook journals, designed to create structured moments of connection and self-reflection for families who don’t know where to begin.
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Kim O is a Relational Soul Coach and author. She utilizes Conscious Principles, Presence, and Authenticity Mapping to awaken you to your greatest power, your Conscious Authentic Self. Through inner child work and profound mindset strategies from the stoics and sages, unhealthy coping mechanisms diminish, leaving your empowerment and high relational intelligence in the wake. As a coach, she provides personal, alchemical stories of trauma turned into gold. If she did it, so can you! Contact and find her resources at linktr.ee/heartworku
Kim’s workbooks:
My Role as the Parent of a Teen: a Journal that Guides YOU to Lead & Create Connection
Who Am I? a Teen’s Journal of Self-Celebration & Connection
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[00:00:00] Start
[00:02:10] Shifting From Fear to Belief Energy
[00:06:45] Celebrating Teens and the Teen Brain
[00:10:15] The Weekly Check-In and Connect
[00:16:15] Practicing Belief When Your Kid Is Nasty
[00:20:35] Rupture, Repair, and Strategic Apologizing
[00:25:00] Untangling Emotion From Gender Identity
[00:32:15] Parents Who Never Rebelled
[00:35:00] Rebellion as the Spirit of Adventure
[00:40:00] Guilt, Self-Forgiveness, and Planting Seeds
[00:45:00] Social Media and the Immature Brain
[00:49:06] Fun, Play, and Suggestion-Based Parenting
[00:55:45] Chores, Boredom, and Preparing for the Road
[01:01:00] What Is the Role of the Teen and Parent
[01:07:53] Coaching Under a Different Name
[01:11:19] Personality Typing as an Alternative to Gender
[01:18:15] Myers-Briggs and Breaking Gender Stereotypes
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